Thursday, November 02, 2000

Basketball Drill Revisited

Basketball Drill Revisited

Subject: Positioning and Controling Drills
From: coach
Date: 30-Oct-00 | 05:41 PM

Can someone please describe the basketball drill used for grappling training. I hear it's great for positioning and controlling. I would like to introduce some new drills to complement wrestling training.

Thank you in advanced.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: m.g
Date: 31-Oct-00 | 03:19 PM

The basketball drill is an excellent drill to develop holddowns. It is said that Rigan Machado uses this drill alot. However I got this drill from an old Judo book call "the secrets of Judo". This book is essential a physics book which uses Judo as a way to explain Physics (and vice versa).

Basically what you do is start from the hindu pushup position (also call the drive bomber push up) and have the basketball just in front of your chest. Your going to thrust your chest forward like your doing the hindu pushup letting your chest roll on the basketball.

I would start with my hands forward at first, later on you can place them behind your back as you do the movement.

The another drill you can do is lay on top of the ball with both legs behind you. You're going to then sit out with on leg so that you in a "kesa gatame" position. From here you bring the leg back to the center and sitout with the other leg so that you in the "kesa gatame" position in the other direction.

To add spice to this when you sit out to the "Kesa" position walk one leg over the other then move into a sitout, then walk the leg over the other again. What your doing is move in a circle continously walking over the top of one leg and then moving into a sitout with the other. It simulate the leg action of the clock choke or Koshi Jime.

You can also just stay in the sitout position and circle around the ball simulating continous holding with "kesa gatame". The same can be done with the Upper hold (north/south). You just circle around the ball with continous pressure with you leg behind you as if you're in the north/south position. You can put you hands behind your back when you do this (warning putting you hands behind your back is hell on you so don't do that so to long).

You can also do it for knee-on-the stomach and even triangle chokes.

I being using the basketball drills for about 4 years. And it works. It helps you develop sensitivty, and how to spread your body weight over an object. It doesn't take much time and energy to do. There are other drills I use the basketball to develop hold transitions but thats another post.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: bounce
Date: 31-Oct-00 | 03:47 PM

Basketball Newaza Movement Development Drill

Drill Objective

The primary objective of this training drill is to develop kinesthetic awareness through contact with a moving body. The secondary objective of this drill is to improve aerobic capacity.

Equipment Needed

Fully inflated basketball for each player.

T-shirt or sweatshirt(remove your Gi jacket)

Drill Performance

You may not use your hands to keep balance. Begin by lying on the basketball with your chest. Move around the ball to both right and left. As you move around the ball roll yourself over to rest your back on the basketball. Roll on the ball from your shoulders to your hips on all four sides of your body. Spin 360 degrees around the ball on all four sides of your body. Duration: Gradually increase the drill to match the expected duration of up-coming matches.

This is from the Training Drills address that M Tripp gave a while back.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: coach
Date: 31-Oct-00 | 06:58 PM

Thank you very much... Cut and pasted!

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Friday, September 01, 2000

Jailhouse Rock Interview 2 answers

Jailhouse Rock Interview 2 answers

From: dempsy
Date: 12-Oct-99 | 07:17 PM

OK GUYS HERE ARE THE ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS> I am sure that the answers will in turn only produce more questions but its a start. Again I would like to thank Mr. Newsome for his time, and willingness to share information. Now again I make my own disclaimer. Things went quickly and i do not write that fast, lol. Please be aware that i may have missed somethings or accidentally misquoted. I appologize ahead of time. I tried my best though to make sure i didnt. Also i paraphrase a bit, in order to better state things i wrote in short hand. ok here goes. These are answers only i figure maybe Stickgrappler could put them together with the questions.


From: Stovall
Date: 04-Oct-99 | 04:46 PM

Does JHR incorporate striking to vital points? If so, are we talking obvious easy-to-hit targets (eyes, throat, sternum, groin), or does JHR incorporate more intricate striking like what can be found in some Asian arts (most noteably Chinese)?


a. Yes JHR has vital point striking.
b. It is complex, comprable n complexity to asian arts.


From: Stovall
Date: 04-Oct-99 | 04:54 PM

I know that all of JHR's kicks are kept on the lowline, but what kind of kicks are we talking about? Hooking roundhouse kicks like Muay Thai, or low stomping oblique kicks like what can be found in many Southeast Asian styles?


"IN 52 there are more direct kicks" some systems have no kicks such as one that fights off of the knees, and some of the more grappling based JHR systems. *Note Mr. Newsome made it clear that it doesnt look like a karate kick he attributes this to the way "people" move naturally. "people" refers to cultural/ethnic. he offered a savate vs karate front kick as an example of how people from different cultures do the same tech but it looks different. the diferences is because of te certain way of moving a "people" have.


From: Stovall
Date: 04-Oct-99 | 04:57 PM

Does Newsome object to sharing his art with non-Blacks, or is he more open than other JHR people?


No, he and many others are not open to it The LAPD has offered to pay him as an istructor but he has declined because he feels that it will be used in a bad way. Also more importantly in a bad way against blacks. His reservations are based on responsability to his people. Mr. Newsome has heard of some non-blacks learning JHR but states that they must have earned the privilage. That they must have respected it, kept their mouths hut, and not exploited it. Trust that JHR will not be exploited or misused it the key factor. Money isnt enough.


From: Stovall
Date: 04-Oct-99 | 08:16 PM
In Lethal Weapon, there is a scene where Gary Bussey's character is being handcuffed and led away by two police officers. He uses what appears to be some sort of locking technique coupled with zoning and misdirection to free himself and disarm one of the policemen. Did Newsome choreagraph this sequence, and if so, is it an example of some of the "anti-cuffing" techniques that I have heard rumored to exist within some systems of JHR?

In the book, "Martial Arts from Around the World", Newsome can be seen demonstrating a series of JHR techniques. One of the striking techniques he employs involves clasping one's hands behind the head and striking with the elbows. I'd like to know what this particular manuever is called, and is it (as it appears to be) one of the "staple" moves of JHR? Also, why are the hands kept clasped behind the head? Is this to put the arms into a position so as to block/cushion the head from wild hooking blows (common in the street) while keeping oneself in a position to return elbow strikes in an efficient manner?


"I dont remember" the exact tech. But yes JHR has anti cuffing tech as well as weapon disarms. Most of the movie's fight scenes were scripted by Mr. Newsome and not Rorion Gracie. So chances are the tech had a base in a jhr anti-cuffing tech,


4C (on elbow clasped position)

It is called twirling elbowss. Its part of 52, but not all JHR systems. It is a sub set within the system. the tech. in this set are offensive in nature. They are complimented by another sub set o tech called creasing. Which is defensive in nature. Creasing is an advanced blocking system where hands are used in many orthadox and unorthadox positions.

4D Twirling elbows can be used as something of a blitz tech. but it is controled and ot wild. often used when you find yourself cornered as a path clearing tech. in function similar to a straight blast in JKD. Also similar to the straight blast s the "bicycle" Which is like a straight blast but more advanced because it allows for one to easily flow into other striking and locking tech. it has several variations and movement principles that apply to its execution.


From: Jinxer
Date: 04-Oct-99 | 05:23 PM

Ask him if he has ever used JHR in a real prison. Ask him what the repurcussions were.

Ask him if there are any JHR techniques that defend against getting shanked. Actually, ask him how you use JHR to defend against a 2 man hit, which is common.

Ask him if he has or would use JHR against a member of Mexican Mafia, New Structure, BGF, White Pride or any other prison gang. If he would use JHR, how does he feel JHR would help him with the negative shit that would follow?

Ask him why people I have asked that did prison time have never heard of JHR.

Ask him when JHR is used, against cell-mates? On the yard? On work furlows? Ask him how the Shu program works with people that know JHR?

These are serious questions from somebody that knows a thing or two about doing time.

Yes, I have my reservations against



-mr. Newsome has never been to prison but says its common sense that if caught fighting you will get in trouble and worsen your stay.

side note* in street fights Mr. Newsome has fought exponents of wing chun, boxing, aikijujitsu, dragon kung fu, tae kwon do and judo. He has never lost using JHR. and when asked stated that the JUDO player was the best of the lot.(because of the tech offered to him by his system not individual prowess). The only time mr. Newsome claims to have suffered injury was at the hands of another JHR practitioner.

5-B (part one)-YES

(part 2)- It is based on mathamatics and body positioning. One example is a tech called the "sandwitch" one attacker in front the other in back with you in the middle. You must "triangle" out and place your self into a position where both attackers are kept in front of you (note* Dempsy has seen this on Vunak's multiple attacker tape)

Also there are 2 on one tech where you use one attacker as a shield. You work him over while also using him as a shield and proceed to attack the second opponent. Also "wall fighting" is a tech used where you use surrounding walls for cover. one fights off the wall without comming off.

[Note: This was all that was posted by dempsy. I have put the questions together with the answers. Check out JAIL HOUSE ROCK INTERVIEW PART 2 – Questions to be asked for the full set of questions.]

Other 52/Jailhouse Rock posts:

NOTE: Posted 10/12/2015 as of 9/1/2000 to mirror date of what should be my original post from my old archives which has been deleted by Tripod without my knowledge. You can see the Internet Archive's link Jailhouse Rock Interview 2 answers of its snapshot of my old archives.

BOXING: Rastus - Top 10 Reasons to Jab

From Underground's Boxing Q&A

Subject: The most important punch in your arsenal
From: Rastus
Date: 24-Aug-00 | 05:47 PM

Technique: Hands in the read position. Shoot the punch straight out, locking the elbow and shoulder. Chin should be safely tucked under the left shoulder, right hand up and protecting the right side of the jaw. Punch comes straight back, not down and back up. Be very careful to return the fist straight back to the ready position, not dip it under and up. A right cross could be following! The punch should be stiff, but not extended as a knock-out blow. Thomas Hearns has a fantastic jab. Mike Tyson, when he throws it, has a devistating jab.

Now, the top ten reasons to jab -

  1. Ruin the opponent's timing. When an opponent catches or sees our jab, his timing and mind set must re-focus, re-adjust, and re-set.
  2. Keep the pressure. Jabbing with mean intent keeps us on the role of predator. It’s very disconcerting to have a guy with a dominant, stiff jab putting pressure on you.
  3. Set up combinations. That flash in the eyes, that initiation immediately puts the opponent on the defensive, allowing us our offensive assault. The jab is the punch that opens us up to our bigger punches. Thomas hearns jabbed at the forhead to lift up his opponent's chin for the knockout right cross. Jab to the stomach to lower the guard, then right cross to the chin, followed by a left hook to the liver, doubling up to the head, ending with a jab. 
  4. Establish dominance. Step into the danger zone and establish the jab. The opponent may back away, setting the roles of the fight or jab with us to challenge our superiority.
  5. Counter his jab. Stay one strategy ahead by countering his jab soon after yours is established. When the opponent attempts to engage us in the battle of the jab, keep one step ahead by working off of his jab. A)When his jab comes, slip left and shoot an inside left hook. B.) Slip to the right for a body punch jab and come overhead to catch a lazy left hand. C) Slap down the jab down with the right hand and come straight with a right cross and move forward to offset your opponent. Remember, this is why we can’t be lazy retrieving our jab. A right cross could be following!
  6. Force your opponent to attack, then counter. Jack Johnson said that, being a counter-puncher, he would use his jab to force his opponent to attack, from which he could counter.
  7. Safety. Beginning and ending combinations with the jab helps us stay safe and un-hit. It allows us to end a combination and re-group. Exiting the danger zone with a good jab helps to extinguish the opponent’s counter offensive.
  8. Energy. It requires the least energy to throw the punch, and it is the most important punch.
  9. Finesse. You can out-finesse your opponent with the jab. Timing, doubling up, up and down, down and up. Adding finesse to the jab is necessary. If your jab is robotic or predictable, a smart opponent will time it and launch an attack around it. Making it shrewd and unpredictable helps to befuddle the opponent.
  10. Mobility. It’s the only punch that’s not committing the body in some way. You have full control of your lateral movement at the blink of the eye. Any other punch commits the body far more, temporarily depriving us of our mobility. 

So keep jabbing... The difference between a good fighter and a great fighter is usually the jab.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: menapace
Date: 24-Aug-00 | 06:30 PM

Great post. Rastus, you're a big Hearns fan huh? 

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Rastus
Date: 24-Aug-00 | 06:37 PM


I must admit... I was a big fan of the Hit Man. Glad you liked the post.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: dave.c
Date: 24-Aug-00 | 08:22 PM

Couldn't agree more. Most fighters today don't jab enough or at all. A solid jab is vital.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: simkin
Date: 25-Aug-00 | 03:57 AM

I like
- Use it to read your opponent. Kinda relates to #s 3, 6, and 2 above, but I use my jab to guage my opponents reaction. After a few jabs I have a clue about what my opponent's defense is like. Oh, he's not moving his head so it'll be there for my cross, especially if I feint the jab. Or, hey, he's trying to slip in low, hope he likes my uppercut. Etc...

Good post, btw :)

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Rastus
Date: 25-Aug-00 | 12:34 PM


Excellent points...reading your opponent by his reactions to the jab. Great point about feinting too. (almost wrote "fainting" ;-)

Like hooking off the jab. If you see his right hand is moving well away from his jaw, converting the jab to a left hook is a great way to punish that bad habit.

Would you give some examples of how you read your opponent with the jab?

Subject: RE: INFO
From: simkin
Date: 25-Aug-00 | 04:31 PM

two things to keep in mind, first off I fight southpaw, second off the class where I do most of my sparring is an american-style kickboxing class, and most of these guys aren't the greatest when it comes to dealing with punches...

To read my opponents with my jab, the first thing I have to do is make it count. I always try to make the first punch I throw a jab, and make do my best to get it snapped into the face so my opponent knows I'm not just putting my hand out. Even when it doesn't connect clean, the idea is to get the message across that I'm serious with my jab.

I always keep my eyes on the little depression at the top of the sternum, below the chin, so his whole body is in my peripheral vision. When I'm trying to read him off the jab I pay particular attention to his hands, elbows and chin. Some of the things I notice people in my class doing are things like slapping my jab down with the lead hand (I almost never get people stopping it with their rear, which I think is weird but it's prolly because I'm a southie), trying to slip it after they've seen it a coupla times, backing up sometimes leaning which I love, or firing back with their own jab.

I notice that if I pay attention to how people react to my jab I get clues on how they react to my punching overall. If someone's backing up as/after I jab, they're generally backing up as I throw other stuff, if they slap at my jab as it comes in they seem to use their hands a lot to fend off my punches in general, and if they fire back with a jab of their own I usually know I could be in trouble unless I'm having a good counter-punch day. Etc, etc...

The other class where I do some of my sparring is basically an MMA class. It's a lot harder to read these people with my jab because of the leg kicks and takedowns. In that class the leg kicks are somewhat comparable to the jab when it comes to reading an opponent.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: striker18
Date: 27-Aug-00 | 11:48 PM

Fantastic thread Rastus! If anyone else remembers, a while ago I was having trouble with my jab and didn't really even like to do it. But after taking the boxing forums advice I have been practicing it a lot (on my own) and am actually beginning to enjoy it. It is making my whole game a lot better, because I am starting to develop a jab now instead of just having an overhand right and a left hook.
Why doesn't more jabbing go on in NHB?

Subject: RE: INFO
From: menapace
Date: 28-Aug-00 | 02:06 PM

Striker 18, Bas Rutten said he never jabs in NHB because it lacks stopping power and it's too easy for a wrestler to take you down.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: striker18
Date: 28-Aug-00 | 10:51 PM

Yeah I saw that on his tape set...but Bas is more of a Thai fighter than a boxer.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Rastus
Date: 29-Aug-00 | 01:42 AM

I actually met Bas Rutten at the House of Blues in Hollywood for the Cult concert. Very cool guy, and we drank like fish.

I asked him why people don't jab more in MMA. He said that a wrestler will just shoot and take you down.
We just disagreed on this point. I mean, the jab is the least commital strike in MMA. If you're going to be taken down with a jab, you'll be taken down with any punch.

Also, you CAN stop a guy with a jab - but it must be a proper, stiff jab, not a feely, flicky jab. Sticking a tight jab and locking the shoulder and elbow is a GREAT way to stop someone coming in, while not sacrificing one's mobility, IMO.

Subject: RE: INFO

From: Slick
Date: 29-Aug-00 | 12:41 PM

Great thread, Rastus. I always enjoy reading your stuff ...

Subject: RE: INFO
From: felipe123
Date: 29-Aug-00 | 03:20 PM

Rastus, Very informative, this is the best forum I've been to and yours are the best posts I've read so far. What about varying the head position every once in a while to present a different target?
I am not a big fan of NHB and I hear that a striker, either boxer or traditional Karate practitioner has never won one of these matches. Is this true? If it is, why do you think this is so? (Maybe I should post this in a different thread?)

Subject: RE: INFO
From: RicksonBJJ
Date: 29-Aug-00 | 06:28 PM

Awesome. Thanks man.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: menapace
Date: 30-Aug-00 | 02:37 PM

I've used this technique a couple of times as a variation to the jab when I was working on the door. Since we really weren't allowed to pummel people at the majority of the clubs I worked we had to find ways to stun them without leaving residual damage, and then get 2 or 3 guys to drag them out. What I would do is throw a jab but with my hand open in a claw like position. This would do two things: It would catch him either on the chin or nose and jerk his head back stunning him for a few seconds, and it almost always resulted in one of my fingers poking him in the eye, causing him to cover up. Then we would all grab hold of him and I would listen to him call my mother many colorful names.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Rastus
Date: 30-Aug-00 | 04:18 PM

Slick, RicksonBJJ:
Thanks, guys. Glad you like my posts.


Point 1. What about varying the head position every once in a while to present a different target? Will you elaborate on this point, please? I'm not sure if you're refering to the striker or strikee. I certainly am a proponent of good head movement, but not wasted head movement (and movement in general) where a guy's squirelling all over and the opponent isn't even in striking range! That's either showboating or amateurish, neither of which I find useful.

Point 2. I think there are four basic reasons boxers/strikers haven't done well.
A. Base. Good punches/kicks require a good base. A grappler either takes you down or makes it difficult to establish one's base for punching.
B. Range. Grapplers either stay on the outside (striking is impossible) or clinch, making striking with leverage much more difficult.
C. Cluelessness. Pure strikers are clueless in the grappling range, making for fairly easy pickens' for a good submission grappler.
D. Level of athelete. The very top grapplers are in the NHB game, while the low rung of the ladder strikers compete. Why? $$$$$!!!!!


Brutal technique! Is it your opinion that the Jab could be an effective tool against a grappler?
Also, consider this technique: if a guy shoots while your jabbing, convert the forarm to a pole, moving the arm to a right angle. Your right hand grabs your left wrist for power. While the grappler continues to try to get ahold of you, push him away with your left forarm in his neck.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: menapace
Date: 30-Aug-00 | 07:21 PM

Rastas, most of my training is for defense in the street where I have most of my experience. I've done a lot of NHB for recreation and improving my technique and such, but I would not say it is my main focus. Having said that, if I ever find myself in a streetfight where I'm squared up with a grappler while we are circling each other, preparing to fight, I know I did something VERY wrong to be in that position to begin with. I don't care what anyone says, you NEVER want to mutually agree to fight anyone in a streetfight. Anyone can be hit with a lucky punch or be taken down by a gorilla of a wrestler. I have, however, found myself in clinch situations with "grappler" guys(I think they were, I didn't really stop to ask them) and found that by grinding my thumb into the hollow spot behind their ear caused them to release their grip some and allow me to strike. But, yes, to make a long story short(too late) I think if you had a hard, stiff, jab, you should utilize it in NHB. If anything, it will give your opponent something to think about while the right hand is ready to take his head off. And one more thing, the strike I was referring to in my previous post was not from a ready position, but from a submissive, "whoa, take it easy" position. I find most strikes land a hell of a lot easier that way.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Rastus
Date: 30-Aug-00 | 07:33 PM


I'm a firm believer of not being in the wrong place at the wrong time and staying/walking the hell away from street fights whenever possible. There's no glory there, only shortsightedness. Jails, weapons, the friend you didn't see, the pissed off guy you kicked ass on who finds you a week later, this time your back's too him and he has a knife, gun...all this stuff is cold reality.

That being said, it's good to know how to protect yourself if the occasional boor/idiot/drunken fool just won't leave you alone! You as a bouncer, of course, would have to deal with these types for a living.
The only techniques I've studied are sport techniques. Of course, there is a huge carry-over, but stuff like sticking your finger behind a guy's ear I probably wouldn't even think of!

I remember my boxing trainer, Archie Grant, said "If a guy's in your face, always have your guard up." He demonstrated by putting up his hands in the ready position with hands open, as if he were explaining himself with his hands.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: menapace
Date: 30-Aug-00 | 08:04 PM

Rastas, I couldn't have said it better. It's obvious you know what you're talking about as opposed to some testosterone enhanced, wanna-be tough guy who has no clue as to how terrifying real violence can be. And your statement about sport fighting for dealing with the average drunk, tough guy etc. is right on the money. We all need a foundation and from there we can pick and choose all the nasty little moves we want to add. I mean if you were to teach nasty tricks like eye strikes, groin strikes and such to two seperate guys, and one of those guys had a foundation in a sport like wrestling or boxing, well, hell, give me the boxer\wrestler any day. They already have the timing, dexterity, and ability to make ANY technique work for them. It always makes me laugh when I hear guys talk about jiu-jitsu guys or kickboxers etc. and they say, "Gracie? I'd just gouge his eyes when he grabbed hold of me." Or, "A boxer? I'd just take out his knee." What these need to be enlightened people don't realize is that these tricks are at these fighters disposal as well, and they are probably 100% more adept at pulling them off than joe blow. My claw hand jab couldn't have been effective without all the years of boxing\kickboxing I had drilling a regular jab. So as I said before, it's nice to see someone produce such enlightening posts such as yourself. Keep them coming!

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Rastus
Date: 31-Aug-00 | 03:14 AM

manapace: Thanks for the kudos on me, but I hope I don't come off on these boards as a tuff guy, or "I know better." I have experience in fighting techniques (boxing and BJJ in particular) and like to share what I've learned and learn from others like yourself. I know that much of what I write is valuable, not because I am so knowledgeable or tuff; but, rather, because the people from whom I learned ARE. I know what bloody noses are, I know what it feels like to have a swelling eye, which bounces of it's own accord while I move - that odd feeling like a tight, little balloon filled with blood is moving up and down and pinching my vision. I know what it's like to be dropped, I know what it's like to drop people. I know what it's like to be submitted, I know what it's like to submit people. It's all part of testing yourself and getting to the next plateau. I know what was useful to me, and try to share it on this forum; not because I could kick the ass of those who listen to me. Rather, I shore up my lessons for my posts to make a difference in my readers eyes, that maybe one point I write will help someone at the moment it counts - training, sparring, fighting. The last "fight" I was in, 12 years ago was like this: at a club, my friend and I were playing pool. I was shooting the breeze with a lady, drinking and shooting a game. This guy (the rooster type, who expects all attention and deference to fall on him...just because he's him) tells the girl, "We're leaving, so you can tell your friend bye." He said it in an aggressive, dismissive and arrogant way. I remember really wanting to fight him (beer in me, girl next to know the score). I said to her, "I could drop that guy with one right cross." "What did you say, Scotty?" the guy said. "OK, let's go outside", he said. He and his several friends left, and I started to follow. My friend, Bob, told me, "Dude, let's just go. You're drunk. Let's not spoil a good night." "F#ck him", I said, and sauntered outside

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Rastus
Date: 31-Aug-00 | 03:15 AM

I was around ten feet from him, a crowd had gathered and I was looking at this guy. He looked in very good shape, cocky as hell, a big self-sated smirk on his face, his hands at his sides, his body positioned to be ready for a fight. This weird feeling overcame me. Call it good sense, call it...whatever. I just saw what was about to happen as stupid. My ego, a girl I didn't know at all (Saying, "Stop it guys! This is ridiculous"), about five of his friends next to me, I don't even know where my friend was. He said, "Don't tell me you're a pussy. Come on, Scotty...knock me out." I just looked at him...tight, his hands down, smirking, ready for action. He was obiously athletic, it good shape and wanting to scrap. I walked right up to him, tight in punching range and said (hands up to talk ;-) ) "I'm sorry, man. I blew my mouth off and said things I shouldn't. Let's go in and have a beer on me." "Oh...Scotty's a pussy now!!!" His friends were laughing and encouraging him to fight. He just started throwing punches. I backed up, slipping each punch, slightly off balance because of all the beers, when I felt myself slam against a guy who bear hugged me, pinning my arms at my sides. The guy was screaming, "It's over." Then, my dear competitor seeing me with my arms pinned threw his best right at my face, from which I turned my head and took the punch off my forhead. The guy who held me was a bouncer who then screamed, "You fucking pussy... hit this guy when he can't defend himself! OK, take him on now!" He releases me, and the guy walked away with his friends (about five). The two bouncers told me not to go to my car now, because they might be waiting for me. My friend, now appearing, thought that suggestion would be a good idea. Somehow, I believed that this was it. The guy knew he had proven himself the pussy, and he wouldn't do anything more.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Rastus
Date: 31-Aug-00 | 03:18 AM

"Thanks", I said, "but I've got to go home now." They would walk my friend and me to my car, but I assured him it wouldn't be necessary. On the way there, I could still see the guys across the street. After a block their cackling subsided to, "OK, Scotty, I guess you want a free shot on me. Here..take it." The guy was walking across the street with his chin up and hands down. He got in my face begging me to hit him. I put my arm around him and said, "You were an asshole for hitting me, but I'm not going to hit you." He started begging me...really begging me to punch him! "No, you deserve a good hit man. Just hit me." This macho, drunken idiocy was playing itself out. His friends started apologizing to me, saying "That's cool. He's a really great guy, he's not usually like this." Their car was on the street, my friend's underground. As we went into the underground space, I heard the guy yell, "I let you off easy, Scotty! Let's go at it now!" I could hear his friends saying stuff like, "Shut the fuck up and get in". That...that weird experience was my last recollection of a street fight. They are meaningless, they are for nothing. They happen out of no where, to nowhere they go. Random encounters of violence, gunshots in alleys and sirens in the distance, coming closer. I've known young men who are now dead. That friend of mine nine years ago committed suicide because his fantastic business failed and his wife left him. What I learned most that night was how senseless real violence is, how much it disgusts me. I thought of things that happened before that day, things that could have happened before that day...and I guess in some ways I grew up that day. It's better to build people up and stand for something profound, then squander energy because of an unchecked ego, no control - others with their hands on your internal thermostat, dictating if you are happy or angry or sad. No control, no direction, no reason...just animal angst. Not for me.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: felipe123
Date: 31-Aug-00 | 11:24 AM

Rastus: Point 1. I'm really very much an amateur here so please bear with me. I was trying to say that if you deliver a blow and your head is always in the same position, it could present a predictable target.
Point 2. How would you approach a grappler from a striker's perspective?
Thanks for your response.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Rastus
Date: 31-Aug-00 | 12:40 PM


It's never good to be predictable.

European boxers are sometimes criticized for being too stiff and upright.

Do what's comfortable, but don't be stiff. Use intelligent head movement.

Ask yourself this: what's the most difficult, problematic head movement you can imagine your OPPONENT presenting you?

Then use that head movement on your opponent!!! LOL.

Also, think in terms of slipping punches... you can block a punch, but that gives your opponent the luxury of hitting SOME part of you. The most exhausting, frustrating, disheartening punch thrown by your opponent is the punch of his you slip, he punches air and is countered.

Trust me on that one...

Subject: RE: INFO
From: sundevil
Date: 31-Aug-00 | 04:20 PM

Great thread, Rastus. This should be archived.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Rastus
Date: 31-Aug-00 | 05:28 PM

Thanks, sundevil...

Subject: RE: INFO
From: striker18
Date: 31-Aug-00 | 10:54 PM

Rastus brings up a good point about European boxers, and as a matter of fact a boxer that works out with me just came over from Hungary. This guy is your typical European style boxer, all of the classic traits of a Euro boxer. He has a badass overhand right and a good jab, but not much of a hook. He also has almost no head movement, which sets him up as a predictable target. As my coach says, every time you move your head your opponent has to spend time in his mind setting everything back up. But if you leave your head in one particular spot, then you are eventually going to get pegged.

Rastus is also right on regarding imagining what would be hard for you to deal with, and then adopting that style. That is exactly what I have been taught, because it is correct. I think everyone should make it a special point to stop and read all of the posts by Rastus, he knows what he is talking about.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Rastus
Date: 01-Sep-00 | 01:13 AM


Thanks for the kudos. It means alot to know that people out there are reading posts carefully and benefiting from them.

Another note on the jab - A classic no-no is to lower the right hand when you jab. Imagine shooting the jab in and keeping that right hand locked to your jaw. Don't drop it when you jab! A crafty opponent will time you and set you up for a left hook to exploit the dropped right hand.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: ping pong
Date: 01-Sep-00 | 09:10 AM

Good post Rastus, you need to make your next post Top 10 reasons to uppercut to many amateurs forget to uppercut which is a very powerful punch.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: striker18
Date: 01-Sep-00 | 11:35 AM

Yes Rastus, good point about keeping your right hand up. I seem to have the habit of dropping my left hand whenever I throw an overhand right, it is a similar principle.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: 655321
Date: 01-Sep-00 | 01:18 PM

I would love to see posts like this one on ALL the facets of boxing! Can anyone help? Thanks!

Subject: RE: INFO
From: menapace
Date: 01-Sep-00 | 02:41 PM

Rastas, that was an impressive post to say the least. And let me assure you, in no way do you come across as a 'tuff' guy. Quite the contrary in fact. If you read my previous post when I stated it seemed as though you knew what you were talking about, I meant that you had a good head on your shoulders and seemed like a very confident and humble man. "Humility is the mark of greatness"(I forget who said it). It's just a shame that there aren't more people like you in the arts, or the world for that matter. People with experience and ability, yet are intelligent and humble enough to either turn the other cheek or weigh the consequences of their actions BEFORE anyhting dire happens. Take care.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: felipe123
Date: 01-Sep-00 | 03:14 PM

Rastus: Not sure what you meant by the "lower rung of the ladder strikers competing in NHB". Are you saying that the world class strikers go into boxing? This is the only other competitive sport I can think of where strikers would earn more money than in NHB. Do full contact Karate fighters earn more than NHB fighters? I don't think so. From my perspective I would have to disagree with you on this one. Did I misunderstand or miss something?

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Rastus
Date: 01-Sep-00 | 07:20 PM

felipe 123

I simply meant that the best strikers don't compete in NHB, boxing or kickboxing. That's a fact.


Thanks again for the kind words. After re-reading what I wrote, it sounds as if I were defending myself, rather than just going over my last brush with real world violence. I didn't mean it that way, but oh well!!!

ping pong, 655321:

I'll put together some thoughts on the uppercut later tonight. I hope on these technique posts Mr. Buckley and Mr. Torres would give us their valuable insights too. Mr. Torres corrected me on the hand positioning of the inside left hook; that it is more "palm up" than 45 degrees from vertical. A detail, but a valuable one. Why not practice with all the "details" right? Alot of missed details result in a sloppy fighter. Attention to details produce sharp, honed, professional fighters.

If someone's willing to spend hours and hours perfecting details of a golf swing, how much more should a fighter spend perfecting the details of his game? The golfer screws up, ehhhh... he'll make it up on the next hole. The boxer screws up, he could get clobbered!

Make sure the raft's air-tight before setting her down into the river...

Subject:RE: INFO
Date: 02-Sep-00 | 02:24 PM

I think the jab definitely has stopping power. It'd probably be one of the better punches to throw in NHB, because I think by the time you get a right hand off, you're probably going to be taken down. If you put a 3 to 5 oz. glove on a heavyweight with a good jab, like Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis, or any other heavyweight for that matter, and get hit with a good solid jab coming in, I think it could definitely stop someone.

NOTE:  Moving my old archives over to my new site - posted 2/3/2013 as of 9/1/2000 - from

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Thursday, August 24, 2000

Story of Cus D'Amato as a kid

Story of Cus D'Amato as a kid

NOTE: No copyright infringement intended.

Muhammad Ali and the Rise of an American Hero
By David Remnick
Random House
© 1998 David Remnick. All rights reserved.
ISBN: 0-375-50065-0.

From Chapter 1

As a kid, growing up in the Bronx, D'Amato starved himself for days, the better to withstand the pain when someone tried to take food from him. He was probably the youngest fatalist in the borough. He used to watch funeral processions outside his building and say, "The sooner death the better." D'Amato was a street kid and a street fighter. One day another kid slammed him in the head with a stick, and he lost the vision in his left eye. D'Amato, however, believed in the regeneration of optic tissue, and throughout his life he made an effort to heal himself, closing his good eye so as to "force" the left eye to see once more. When he became a trainer, D'Amato told his fighters that security, financial and otherwise, would be the death of them. Security dulled the senses, and pleasure -- pleasure was worse. "The more pleasures you get out of living," D'Amato said, "the more fear you have of dying."

NOTE: Posted 8/12/2014 and backdated to 8/24/2000 to mirror my old archives.

Thursday, August 10, 2000

Some sarong notes from a Dan Inosanto seminar by JMAN

NOTE: submitted by JMAN. If you have questions or comments, please email me and I will forward it to him. May 20-21, 2000 (?) Dan Inosanto Chicago (?) seminar

We worked on some sarong techniques, including chokes with the sarong while doing body scissors/guard and some "freestyle" grappling with the sarong (only allowable techniques were sarong chokes and arm bars). We then did some freestyle attack and defense against sarong from the ground. These methods were developed by Dan and one of his BJJ instructors (a Machado BB, but not one of the brothers).

Standing With Sarong Over Shoulder

1) Basic Pass Choke: I believe this choke was shown on either Rick Tucci's Maphilindo Silat #1 or #2. Basically you "open" the sarong up with your left hand and pass the opponent's head between your chest/stomach and the sarong. You then pull down on the top of the sarong and up on the bottom, creating the choke.

2) Puter Kepala with arm lock and choke: Similar entry as the above, but now you take them down with the puter kepala throw. Maintain control on the opponent's arm and place it under your shoulder to get a sitting arm bar. If memory serves the choke came when you arched your back for the arm bar, but don't quote me on that. You may need some slight manipulation.

3) Guillotine-Spin under neck break-Knee Brace Choke: You do a standing guillotine after passing their head into the sarong (I am fairly certain that it is same entry as #1). Release the choke and grab their chin with your choking hand. Pull up on chin as you spin under them, causing them to fall in a very awkward manner. This is very easy to perform but rather hard to explain...if you are doing the choke with your right hand you would grab their chin with the right hand. As you pull it up and to the left (in a circular motion) you slip underneath them. You fall to your back using your rotation to twist the neck. Once they are down brace your shin against the back of their head and push while tugging back on the sarong.

4) Guillotine-Knee Strike-Axe Kick Puter Kepala Throw-Step over arm lock-Choke: Same entry as #3. Now fire a knee strike at opponent's head. Then, after placing the leg down, kick leg up and let it fall on opponent's neck (remember, they ARE bending over at this point). This tosses them just like Puter Kepala. We did several arm locks from here, all by stepping at least one leg over the opponent's head. Basically they were the "branch up", "branch down" and straight sitting armlocks covered on Rick Tucci's Maphilindo set. The choke was tightened by arching the back and rolling the shoulders.

From the Guard with Sarong Over shoulder

1) Noose Choke: Take the sarong and loop it over opponent's head. Now holding both sides of the sarong that is on the opponent's neck in one hand, slowly slide that hand up towards the neck. You must stabilize the sarong by holding it with the other hand.

2) Pass over neck (works like a lapel then): Make a loop out of the sarong and pass it over the opponent's head, just like #1. Now work lapel style chokes (we mainly worked the X choke)

3) Hook and Triangle: Similar to Dr. Gyi's basic stick chokes, except the sarong takes the place of the stick and your arm. There are several lapel chokes that work off this principle as well. Instead of passing sarong over opponent's head as in last 2 entries make a loop out of the Sarong and pass the loop over opponent's neck. Pull down one loop while pushing up on opponent's neck with your opposite forearm.

4) "Feed the Loop": Same entry as above but pass the loop to opposite hand. Now just pull. If you need to you can tug in opposite direction with other hand.

NOTE: Posted 8/4/2014 and backdated to 8/10/2000 to mirror my old archives.

For some animated GIFs I've made of Manong Inosanto performing the Sarong/Malong chokes, please check:

Other Dan Inosanto notes from my old site:

Story of Cus D'Amato and fear

Story of Cus D'Amato and fear

NOTE: No copyright infringement intended.

THE BLACK LIGHTS: Inside the World of Professional Boxing by Thomas Hauser
Pages 18-20

One of boxing's foremost authorities on the subject of fear is Cus D'Amato, the legendary trainer of Jose Torres and Floyd Patterson. A diminutive, outspoken man who has worked with young fighters for most of his 77 years, D'Amato often looks back on his own experiences to put the subject of fear into context.

"I remember the first time I got involved in what I call a waiting fight," D'Amato reminisces. "In the neighborhood in which I lived, which was a pretty tough neighborhood, you got involved in fights all the time. Whenever you got angry, you fought or you lost respect. Under those conditions you didn't think about being frightened. You replaced fear with anger. But it's different when you have the experience of waiting, an experience I had once. I lived in an Italian neighborhood, and a few blocks away there was an Irish neighborhood. I never used to have trouble with the Irish; I got along with everybody. But then the neighborhoods had some trouble, and both sides said, 'You bring a guy and we'll bring a guy, and they'll fight it out. Instead of both gangs fighting, we'll have two guys representing the neighborhoods.' I was 16," D'Amato continues, "and the Italian guys chose me. I wasn't mad at the Irish, I wasn't mad at anybody. But three days ahead of time I knew I had to fight this big Irish guy at nine o'clock on Saturday night. So comes the night of the fight, I didn't want to fight because this guy never did anything to me, but I got no choice. All the Italian guys and I go over to the street between the neighborhoods, and wait under a big street light. We got there, maybe five minutes to nine, with eighty or ninety guys, and the Irish must have had a hundred but their fighter hadn't shown yet. I sat down on the curb, and I was thinking to myself. 'How the hell did I get into this mess?' To tell the truth, I was scared. All my life, when I got mad I'd fought. I was fighting grown men when I was fourteen, but now I'm saying, 'Jesus Christ, what's the matter with me? I got to be crazy to do this. The next time some guys try to get me to fight, I'll fight them first; I got nothing against these Irish fellows.'" D'Amato's eyes grow larger, his face more animated, as his tale progresses. "Anyway, I'm sitting there, really sweating. I reached up, felt the sweat on my forehead, and figured it was blood, but it was only sweat. Nine o'clock comes and the Irish guy isn't there. Quarter after nine, the Irish guy isn't there. Nine-thirty, I'm still waiting, and all the time the waiting is getting worse because this guy is gonna be there, and I'm gonna have to fight him. Finally, at ten o'clock, one of his buddies comes and says the Irish guy is scared. He ain't showing. It was the happiest moment of my life."

Fighters are the most exposed athletes in the world. During a fight, the crowd observes every twitch and movement. Still, spectators rarely see fear in a quality fighter. "That," says D'Amato, "is because the fighter has mastered his emotions to the extent that he can conceal and control them." But whatever a fighter says, the fear is there. It never goes away. He just learns to live with it. "And the truth is," D'Amato continues, "fear is an aspect to a fighter. It makes him move faster, be quicker and more alert. Heroes and cowards feel exactly the same fear. Heroes just react to it differently. On the morning of a fight, a boxer wakes up and says, 'How can I fight? I didn't sleep at all last night.' What he has to realize is, the other guy didn't sleep either. Later, as the fighter walks toward the ring, his feet want to walk in the opposite direction. He's asking himself how he got into this mess. He climbs the stairs into the ring, and it's like going to the guillotine. Maybe he looks at the other fighter, and sees by the way he's loosening up that his opponent is experienced, strong, very confident. Then when the opponent takes off his robe, he's got big bulging muscles. What the fighter has to realize," concludes D'Amato, "is that he's got exactly the same effect on his opponent, only he doesn't know it. And when the bell rings, instead of facing a monster built up by the imagination, he's simply up against another fighter."

NOTE: I am mirroring my old archives. Posted 8/12/2014 and backdated to 8/10/2000.

Friday, June 23, 2000

Story of Cus D'Amato and fear vs. knife expert

Story of Cus D'Amato and fear vs. knife expert

NOTE: No copyright infringement intended.

Subject: Cus D'Amato and fear vs. knife expert
From: Stickgrappler
Date: 15-Oct-99 | 05:26 PM

I typed this up from BAD INTENTIONS: THE MIKE TYSON STORY by Peter Heller. I posted this to the knife videos thread, but figured this may be good for non-knife lovers. Not quite knifefighting, but a little of fear, fear management, and a boxer's approach to the knife. Enjoy!


At the same time that Babe Ruth was slugging home runs on the other side of the Bronx in the new Yankee Stadium, the young Cus D’Amato was learning valuable lessons about fear and cowardice, toughness and courage and survival on the streets, lessons he would later incorporate in the unique philosophy of life and boxing which he imparted to his fighters. One lesson that became familiar to his disciples was that the fear of something is usually worse than the reality, a lesson he expounded using an example from his own life. He would describe how a guy from another neighborhood, who had a reputation as one of the best knife fighters on the streets of the Bronx, was swaggering around Cus’s own patch and intimidating his pals. One day the hoodlum challenged each of them to a knife fight. Everyone was afraid and no one would accept the challenge. Once his dominance was established, the challenger began insulting and humiliating them until he’d had his fill, and then left. Word of this reached Cus that evening. He was so angered that he sought out the antagonist and challenged him to a fist fight. The reply was no; instead, D’Amato was offered the opportunity to avenge the honor of his friends in a knife fight. The foolhardy Cus accepted. It was agreed the two would meet at an abandoned building at seven the next morning, alone. There would be no witnesses in case one of them ended up dead. On his way home, Cus couldn’t help but think it was most likely to be him. Fear gripped him as it never had before. He hadn’t the slightest idea how to wield a knife in a fight, yet here he was about to face an expert. When he was finally able to control his fear, he thought up an idea that would at least give him a chance. Maybe he didn’t know about knife fighting, but he did know about boxing, about using his fists. He found an ice pick, carved the handle down so it would fit in his closed palm, with the blade extending out between his middle and ring fingers. He than practiced as if he were boxing, only now, at the end of his fist, was a deadly blade as he jabbed the air.

In the few hours that remained until dawn, he tried unsuccessfully to sleep. He then headed for the empty warehouse where the fight was to take place, getting there early in order to check out the surroundings and prepare himself for his adversary. He taped the ice pick inside his fist, made sure the blade protruded far enough and wrapped a jacket around his forearm for protection. Then he waited. When the fear built up too much and threatened to overwhelm him, he danced around, practicing his technique. He learned that motion relieves tension. The minutes passed. Seven o’clock cam and went, and the knife fighter had still not appeared. D’Amato felt relieved, but then checked himself. If he began to wind down and his opponent suddenly materialized, he knew his resolve to fight might be weakened. Finally, when more than an hour had passed, Cus realized that fear must have got the better of the knife fighter. He wasn’t going to appear. Cus went home, a hero to his friends. The knife fighter never showed himself again. Cus knew he had won a victory, not only over his adversary, but over himself. He had faced his fear and refused to allow it get the better of him.


From: striker18
Date: 15-Oct-99 | 05:34 PM

Great story!


From: krept
Date: 15-Oct-99 | 05:36 PM

good story, thanks


From: Horatius
Date: 15-Oct-99 | 05:36 PM



From: grandpab
Date: 15-Oct-99 | 05:41 PM

Great story, thanks for posting it.



From: pit
Date: 15-Oct-99 | 05:42 PM

Cus was the man. Great story.


From: Tatanka
Date: 15-Oct-99 | 05:44 PM

Cus is D'man.


NOTE: Posted 8/12/2014 and backdated to 6/23/2000 to mirror my old archives.

Wednesday, June 21, 2000

Mark Tripp - Combatives 11 (Women's Self-defense)



Mark Tripp's Combatives 11

You are in the Judo forum
Subject: Combatives 11
From: MTripp
Date: 22-May-00 | 07:55 AM

I will be clinical here. But I REALLY wish I had a women instructor who would teach this part to the women cause I sure get red when I have to...

There are only three ways a woman can be raped. Forced oral. Forced intercourse man on top. Forced intercourse man behind.

I understand you can get creative about intercourse up against the wall and stuff; but that requires a willing partner. Let's keep it basic.

Core skill here is gripping strength; kicking from the ground and kicking to stand up (aka butt scoot, Gracie get-up, or ground get-up); chin jab/tiger claw; and elbows.

But the most IMPORTANK skill in dealing with a rape attempt is to shift the attackers focus from beating you into submission to get what he wants and make him believe you are going to give him EXACTLY what he wants. This is called playing porn star!

Let me be clear; I do NOT beleive it is EVER a good idea to take a fighting stance and scream NO as so many silly self-defense programs for women teach. What you have just done is TELL your attacker what is comming. This is just wrong.

Better to convince him you are not going to fight! You are NOT going to let him do anything to YOU either, but let's keep that between US for now! Tell him he is cute. Ask him about his dick (use the word). Tell him you've always wanted to do it in a parking lot, or an elevator, or whatever Do NOT get in his car or go into an alley. Distract him with all the sex talk he hears on those movies he watches. Make him think he has found his dream victim!

All the time you are looking for your BEST shot to make this sorry piece of crap wish he had NEVER been born.

An example of why this works best is; if you just grab for his groin you could miss; or find out he has a cup on. Now he is enraged and it will be that much harder to finish him. BUT, if you "feel around" as you tell him how hot you are; you will get your hand right on the target (the testies not the penius); or find out if there is a cup there and change your attacking plan.

Lets deal with them in order.

Forced Oral

Simple concept. Woman can close a #2 gripper (195 lbs of crushing force); Man wants to put private parts near there. Even without hands we have that "Last house on the Left" technique; also done on "OZ" last season (bite it off).

Here the person plays along with the attacker; even helping him with his pants. Once you see the testies; CRUSH THEM. Assuming you are on your knees here; roll to your left or right hip and begin the ground kicking/kick to get up drill.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: MTripp
Date: 22-May-00 | 07:55 AM

Intercourse - Man on Top.

First, he has to get your clothes off. This is a good time to twist left or right and begin the ground kicking thing again.

If that moment didn't present itself; keep in mind he HAS to be inside the womans guard to do this!!! This is why women even more than men MUST have powerful guard techniques. A simple and easy one (remember our grip strength) is to reach under and crush the testies! Using the hips to move him back then pulling him into a chin jab/tiger claw is also effective. If trained well; the arm locks from there work for them too.
Again, once the hard atemi is in; kick into the get up position; then get up and punt!

Intercourse - behind.

Again, the chothes have to come off. During this you can twist left or right and we again are back to the ground kicking game.

If that moment passed you can always reach between your legs and crush as you turn and use your elbow to get from under him, then again we are back to kicking.

These should be made into drills (golf balls in a sock hooked into your belt works well). Work them as you would any other ground fighting exercise.

Yes; I understand we can create impossible escapes here. 5 guys and a gun to your head for example. But that serves no purpose. Most likely this will be one on one; and we will get to weapons later.
But speaking of weapons... Notice how much better for the women this would be if she had a PPD in these drills???

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Absolute Storm
Date: 22-May-00 | 08:22 AM
Excellent. A very well thought-out post.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: menapace
Date: 22-May-00 | 09:32 AM
MTripp: What are the tiger claw and chin jab? Are they palm strikes? And are they as effective as western boxing punches?

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Fan
Date: 22-May-00 | 10:45 AM
Im interested in your ideas on women's self defense, Mr. Tripp. Im a CO who has worked in lots of sex offender units, and I would like to teach a "rapesafe" type class. Lots of conflicting opinions in both the Law Enforcement circle, and the MA circle in this particular area.

Im particularly interested in how you would structure this. The best DT trainer I ever had just wont teach womens SD anymore out of frustration. Too much to do in too little time. Problems he found were women's attitudes towards violence, attitudes towards men, ability to deal with intimidation. There are many women who would rather be raped than "hurt" another human being(hard for men to believe). There are LOTS of social issues that need to be addressed in this type of training.

How would you address this, or just train those who are "ready" to deal with it?

Subject: RE: INFO
From: MTripp
Date: 22-May-00 | 11:22 AM

To expect a woman; or a man for that matter; to use a fist with success in a combative situation is just foolish. For some highly trained people perhaps. Keep in mind that in the early days of the UFC, when they didn't allow taped hands, lots of highly trained people broke their hands.

The chin jab/tiger claw is a heel hand strike to the jaw followed up with an immediate strike to the eyes. The push back on the chin gets the opponent to lean forward and his push; along with gripping strength, make this a major fight stopper. Fairbairn taught it for years, as did Applegate. I am just carrying on the tradition.
As to what and how to teach. The two books I told you to get in Combatives 10 will help. But getting some women to be willing to hurt someone is going to be rough. You may have to obtain some hard hitting photos of what is left after a rape/murder to make your point.

Clearly pointing out that taking a person's word who is raping you, that they are not going to kill you, is very foolish indeed.

I can go into greater detail if need be.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Chzog
Date: 22-May-00 | 11:46 AM
Even more great stuff!!!!

Subject: RE: INFO
From: submission studen
Date: 22-May-00 | 05:58 PM
The issue of rape and sex crimes against women and young people is a tough topic to talk about. I have had close friends and relatives that have been assaulted. I was amazed when I accompanied one of these people to a group meeting as to how many people are assaulted. I also found it appaulling that these people had not the slightest (lagitimate),idea of how to defend themselves or even how to avoid situations like that all together. It's hard for me to understand how another human being can not want to defend themselves in the face of rape, maiming or death. I been in some bad places and I've seen some bad things. It's scary. I have two daughters and pray to the Lord that they will have the piece of mind and courage to defend themselves if the situation ever arises. I assure you they will have the knowledge. I'm a firm believer that living with the mental problems after consenting to such stuff is far worse than fighting back. I've seen the results in person. All women and especialy young girls should be taught that fighting for thier dignity is a just cause. An attacker may take your body but never let them take your diginity. Fight back. Get some satisfaction. Most of the time attackers are looking for an easy target. Don't make it easy. Wounds of the flesh will heal. Some wounds of the mind and soul never heal.

Subject: Rape
From: djb
Date: 22-May-00 | 08:40 PM
About a month ago I posted a thread on the OtherGround titled 'how is rape physically possible'. The next day I was banned. I'm still a little peeved about that, but glad I can ask my questions again. I don't think I was insensitive last time, but I'll try and do even better here.

I brought the topic up here, because the people in this forum know much better than the general public the power of the guard position: There are 2 arms and 2 legs available to control the person in the guard. I was trying to ask the question: Can a rapist get enough control in this position, or does the rape succeed because the woman is scared into stopping her resistance?

For example: Orangutans are have opposable big toes, and thus can grasp with their feet just like their hands. If men's feet worked this way, rape on a resisting woman would be possible; in guard position, the rapist would grab woman's ankles with his feet, and control woman's arms with his arms.

This is not possible, so it seems as though a woman would always have feet free to kick with, or arms free to poke eyes with. Do you agree, or am I overlooking something?

If I am right, does that mean that I think that women want to be raped, or deserve it, or cause their own rape? I don't see how that follows. I am suggesting that women are either battered unconscious (in which case they can't resist), or select getting raped rather than beaten AND raped. They stop resisting because of the threat of violence.

If I had a daughter, I would train her in self defense, but also I would try to impress on her my reasons for thinking it desirable for her to struggle even if she is pretty sure she will not be able to escape. I will give my reasons in a future post if there seems to be interest.

Subject: wisdom of distracting rapists with sex talk?
From: djb
Date: 22-May-00 | 08:47 PM
I question whether this is a good idea in a date rape situation, or any potential rape where the attemping-rapist is known to the woman.

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From: MTripp
Date: 22-May-00 | 08:49 PM

Ok; here is what you are missing, in plain English...

I punch the living shit out of you until you just lay there and then I do what I want.


I choke the living crap out of you until you are senseless and then I do what I want.


I tell you to do everything I say or I will kill you, or your husband, or your child, and you believe me, so you let me do what I want.

Need I go on?

Did I answer your question?

Rape, by defination, is foracable sexual contact. Force is the key concept here. Threat of violence to you or a loved one is force. Showing a weapon is force. Beating/Choking you is force. Saying you will be fired if you don't do this is force.

Thinking better of your actions is not force; neither is the check bouncing.

Let's keep that clear in our heads and fixed in our training programs.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: djb
Date: 22-May-00 | 09:09 PM
What am I missing that I am not able to make this explicit enough?

By my definitions, one must be conscious to resist. If you are unconsious, you have stopped resisting. You didn't WANT to stop resisting, you would start resisting again if you could (maybe you will come to and start to again), but for the period you are unconsious, you are not resisting, and not subject to the argument that 'rape is not possible on (actively? violently? do I need a modifier here?) resisting person'.

If you stop resisting because someone cocks a fist at you, threatens to kill you etc., of course force is being used against you. The fact that a person chooses to not poke someone in the eyes, because she thinks that she will get killed if she does it, to my mind means she stops resisting. It doesn't mean they would not prefer some other circumstances, it just means they physically stop hitting, poking etc. This is not a way-out definition of 'resistance' is it? To me it does not seem so, but others must feel differently, because I think I have accounted for the situations you have described (and I did in the earlier thread I mentioned), but the reaction I get is as if I am using 'resist' in an unusual way. I don't think that I am.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: jayman
Date: 22-May-00 | 11:10 PM
I have to agree with djb on this one.
There are certain legal ramifications as well. It could be implied that the victim wanted sex. "well she kept telling me how much she wanted me" etc,etc.

The physical assult is a given as rape is no less traumatic and physically damaging as getting beaten. Part of the reason women are assulted is due to the fact that they can look like victims, with the exception of those that have taken some legitimate self defense courses - that not only emphasize the physical technique, but instill self confidence and assertiveness.

The only issue I have here is the sex talk. I'm all for playing possum - I think its the correct strategy, but your attacker is either going to get more enraged because your trying to play him for a fool - or he is not going to just rape you once.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Absolute Storm
Date: 23-May-00 | 04:31 AM
If I were a woman, I'd rather do whatever it took to avoid being raped and worry about how it looked in court later.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: MTripp
Date: 23-May-00 | 07:56 AM

"The only issue I have here is the sex talk. I'm all for playing possum - I think its the correct strategy, but your attacker is either going to get more enraged because your trying to play him for a fool - or he is not going to just rape you once."

This would assume that you are going to get raped after your "sex talk". I reject that assumption.

The "sex talk" moves a person from the concept of beating or choking you into compliance to the "oh, this is going to be easy" mind set.

The "sex talk" covers that you are moving into position to do far more dammange than those "tae-bo" moves that so many "I am woman hear me roar" types think will drop an attacker.

Perhaps you know something I do not; but I am VERY sure that 195lbs of crushing force applied to the eye or the testies will prevent a rape VERY quickly. I know for a FACT that 1/4 inch penatration into the eye; or that kind of crushing force to the balls will shut a person off RIGHT THEN.

To my way of thinking; that is the BEST shot the AVERAGE woman has to end this thing. It is what my wife would do; and it is what I would want her to do.

Now to "resisting".

I think you are missing my point. I can understand the concept of "the alamo". There are things that can happen that prevent defense or demand co-operation with no resistance.

It is my position that following the 4 rules and the principles of personal defense will keep one from facing the "alamo".

But it is not for me, or anyone, to second guess someone who was in that awful situation and did the best they could.

It IS my job to help people avoid, evade, and if all else fails repel such an assault.

That is all I am trying to do.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: jayman
Date: 23-May-00 | 01:04 PM
You know something Mr. Tripp, you really suprise me.

When I wrote the above post, I thought "oh boy, hes going to tear me up for diasagreeing with him", but your response was clear and insightful.

and to think I am a BJJ guy too -lol

thanks for the response.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: cudgel
Date: 23-May-00 | 05:32 PM
I have a couple of small comments.

1. Would somebody PLEASE get women to stop running at night (or in the day) with their damned CD player earphones plugged in? I live in a university town and walk my dog at night on a running path and see this all the time. There really should be a law against this.

2. DJB, I'm not sure where you're going with the resistance thing. There is another response that occurs frequently in rape type situations other than fight or flight - this is panic/shock/near catatonia. A person can be literally paralyzed with fear. This is one area where some of the role playing scenario type training really comes in handy - a woman can hopefully train to avoid paralysis by experiencing close fits to the actual physiological/psychological response and learning to deal with it better.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: nowaydo
Date: 25-May-00 | 01:15 AM

Mr. Tripp,

Great Post!

I made comments about the Rape Prevention and Self Defense class I teach on a post a few weeks ago.
I got slammed because I teach women to fight from the guard. I do teach the "submissive, but deadly" technique to engage the aggressor into a false sense of security and let his guard down.

I teach the "palm-heel" strike, eye jabs, tiger claw to the face and eagle claw(flesh grabs). I also teach to pinch, grab and kick away on the ground, but if that fails applying an armlock(whether it works or not, she's out of the rape position) If the armlock is successful, I teach to snap and kick him away..then run!

Any critics?

Subject: RE: INFO
From: MTripp
Date: 25-May-00 | 06:02 AM

The idea on the armlock out of the guard is to use it to make him pull his arm back.

When a person "pulls back" the combative concept here is to "follow the line of withdraw" to strike him as his "defense" is moving back and can't change motion. It is in essence a free hit.

Bringing the leg ocer chambers it for a powerful head kick. If the arm breaks fine. If not the withdraw opens the face for the boot.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: VinceB
Date: 25-May-00 | 02:16 PM
To illustrate the insanity that goes on..

Last year (or 1998) the Italian Supreme Court overturned a rape conviction because the woman was wearing tight jeans. Their legal opinion was that she must have been cooperative to get the jeans off.
MTripp..a really great thread. I hope it gets read and understood and used by a whole lot of folks.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: nowaydo
Date: 25-May-00 | 05:22 PM

Thanks Mr. Tripp,

It's hard to fine an experienced martial artist to give me professional development with my class.
The average martial artist still things "self-defense" for women is like a NHB fight she can't win or a karate spsrring tournament she can win. I know different. I've put in a lot of time and research on the subject.
I know it isn't about winning, but surviving!

The most difficult challenge I have is my Self-defense for women vs weapons. "I didn't come up with the class, I was just told to teach it" I don't think there is a "sure-fire" way, for men or women, yet I have to teach something. I don't teach the fancy joint locks, but to distract, trap, strike and run! Anymore advise?

Subject: RE: INFO
From: MTripp
Date: 26-May-00 | 07:53 AM

Well, the simple point is to look how people like Applegate and Fairbairn felt about the subject. Fairbairn trained more than a few women too.

Unarmed Combat is what you do when your weapon fails or you are so foolish as not to have one.
Unarmed Combat against weapons is darn near impossible; and in most cases is impossible, even for young tough males.

Like it or not the subject of "shall issue" laws is going to come up here. I am of the opinion that it is up to the State to PROVE why someone should NOT be allowed to carry a gun; rather than the current system of the other way around.

In the most serious of cases the handgun has proven itself time and time again as the ONE sure fire way to end the problem, and in almost ALL cases mearly showing the weapon causes the attacker to take flight.
Before we get there, as I know we are going to tred on some silly notions and PC viewpoints (like the million moron march); I suggest getting two books. "More Guns Less Crime" and "The Great Americian Gun Debate".

Let me say here that the best way to handle people bigger, stronger, and in many cases armed; is with a PPD of our own. Where it is legal to carry; the handgun is the ultimate PPD.
I will get into some "last ditch" defenses in the next chapter.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: nowaydo
Date: 26-May-00 | 12:22 PM

Thanks Mr. Tripp,

There is a great story about a town in Florida that held a free gun course for women. It was highly advertised. Result: Violent crimes against women dropped in half. One study shows the success rate of a rape against an arm women was 1%.

But....As we know, the average woman is not going to be armed and if she is...will she be in a position to use it.

So! What would you suggest for me to teach a woman who chooses not to submit to a weapon. Studies show that less than ten percent of people who are shot or stabbed die...also, of those who die, have been shot or stabbed muliple times. Could fighting back be the difference?

What would you teach?

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Fan
Date: 26-May-00 | 12:42 PM
Im glad that this thread has continued fairly well. Part of the problem with this type of format is the limited time involved to get across a great deal of valuable information. Weve all pretty much agreed that this has to be as simple as absolutely possible. I would like to teach a women's self defense course, but putting it together well and giving women good stuff forces you, as an instructor to make a lot of hard decisions.
I would LOVE to have the type of format that my University had-- They had a women's self defense course as a phy ed. 12 weeks 2 hours a week, and a FINAL TEST that counted on your GPA. There is no other format that I think gives you the amount of time to do what you need.. without having to cut things out.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Fan
Date: 26-May-00 | 12:51 PM
With the time comment having been said, Im toying with the idea of departing from the mainstream and including a little classroom/ group discussion time about sexual assault and womens attitudes towards violence inflicted on them/ attitude towards fighting back.

Ive had the chance to study sex offenders from a number of venues. In college for Criminal Justice we studied sex offenders from a variety of different aspects(investigation, prosecution,counseling), and I have had the opportunity to attend a small group presentation by the regional FBI profiler, and other training opportunities in that area. Ive also worked in corrections for two states, and have dealt with at least a thousand rapists/sex offenders.

What Im trying to get at is that there is a lot of good info on sex offenders that is beyond academic and has practical Tactical value to women on the streets. Women also have a great number of stereotypes regarding rape/assault that simply are not true in the real world.

I know that teaching quick, immediate functional skills is paramount, but would you guys integrate some of the above? How much?

Subject: RE: INFO
From: MTripp
Date: 26-May-00 | 06:16 PM

Very simple;

1. Follow the 4 rules.
2. Follow Coopers Principles of Personal Defense.
3. Train your ass off with something that will end a fight quickly.
4. If threatened run. No matter if they are armed or not; run.

If they won't do that; then may God have mercy on their soul...

Subject: RE: INFO
From: nowaydo
Date: 26-May-00 | 10:31 PM

Thank You again Mr. Tripp!

That was funny...but real!!!

Subject: RE: INFO
From: theincrediblebulk
Date: 27-May-00 | 10:58 PM

"The only issue I have here is the sex talk. I'm all for playing possum - I think its the correct strategy, but your attacker is either going to get more enraged because your trying to play him for a fool - or he is not going to just rape you once."

**** delurking ****

The woman doesn't necessarily have to come off like a porno starlet for this strategy to work. Just feigning passivity until the moment is right to strike (or bite) could work too.

Too many people have the attitude that "If you know you are going to be raped, you might as well enjoy it." If a woman pretends that she has this resigned attitude until the time is ripe, it could be very effective, without necessarily giving the rapist the impression that she is playing him.
The fat man has spoken.

**** relurking ****

Subject: RE: INFO
From: MTripp
Date: 28-May-00 | 06:12 AM

The reason for the major "porn star" is very simple. It will NEVER have been the reaction this guy got. It is going to be a MAJOR shock to him and his "plan". In short, he is going to lose ALL attacking advantage at the monent as it brings it to a dead stop.


This is the ONLY way to expect an unarmed defense to have a chance of success; it MUST be a suprize. It must also be brutal, ruthless, and effective. But more on that later.

There may be another way to do that. I just don't know of any that work as well.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: Fan
Date: 28-May-00 | 01:52 PM
"The "sex talk" moves a person from the concept of beating or choking you into compliance to the "oh, this is going to be easy" mind set."

This is why I posted my thoughts about including more of the behavioral aspects of sexual assault. There are some types of rapists who are VERY inadequate personalities. They suprise a victim and attack because there is no way they could talk a victim into going away with them, or pick up a woman at a bar for sex. They have spent hours and hours masturbating over this incident with the thought that the woman will eventually be "won over" and realize that this guy is "pretty good".

On the flip side there is a different set of behaviors that are exhibited by some attackers. I have a case study in a text where the woman tried the "sex talk" and got beaten worse for it. "This is for my pleasure, not hers, Fuckkin whore......."

"This is the ONLY way to expect an unarmed defense to have a chance of success; it MUST be a suprize."
This is totally correct, Mr. Tripp. And I suppose it still applies to the sex talk scenario. If it changes the dynamic of the situation, in the first case, it would "relax" the offender, and be a platform for defense. In the second, I believe that there would be the momentary "What the.......", to counterattack from, but that would not be a long period of time. The second situation is statistically less likely to happen. But I think it serves my point, that we need to find a way to study/teach the dynamics of sexual assault.

Subject: RE: INFO
From: MTripp
Date: 28-May-00 | 04:27 PM

Well, the space in time between "I'll do what you want just don't hurt me." and ripping his balls off is quite short indeed.

This of course implies this is not a "slam rape" where she is being assaulted with no chance to talk at all.
In that situation she would just defend herself as best she could. But this is not common and near impossible if a person is alert to the "tells" of such an attack.

In reality 95% of proper rape escape training is on avoidence; awareness, mind set; and evasion. The other 5% is about stopping that man as quickly as you can.

Learning what to teach in that 5% is the true issue here.

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